Plant vs. Cow Calcium

Plant vs. Cow Calcium

56 Replies to “Plant vs. Cow Calcium

  1. Teachers of nutrition use standard textbooks, e.g. "Present Knowledge of Nutrition," by Bowman & Russell, 2011, which refutes this lame anti-dairy activist video. Plants have such low bioavailability that it takes over 9 servings of bok choy, the best plant source, to get the RDA of calcium for kids, while only 4 servings of safe dairy products provide that & more. All national authorities in nutrition recommend dairy as not only safe but the best source of calcium. Read good books & learn truth

  2. a study done in France that is very pro milk, states that the oxalates in veges, like spinach, bind to calcium, preventing absorption of the calcium, but you can cook the oxalates away according to other nutrition experts… the same study also made it clear that you CAN absorb a lot of calcium from cabbage regardless of oxalates… but, for eg, if ur not getting enough magnesium, vit D, exercise and/or eat acidic as opposed to alkaline, you can drink milk all day long & little will be absorbed

  3. according to an MD elsewhere, "In one study on rats it was found that 92% and 78% of the calcium from milk was absorbed in comparison to 75.5% and 60% from oxalate-rich green vegetables. However, even though absorption was indeed reduced in the oxalate-rich green vegetables (CALCIUM) WAS STILL ABSORBED at 75.5% and 60% (1)."

  4. the above quoted data was based on studies from the 90's, were they included in the 2011, "Present Knowledge of Nutrition" by Bowman & Russell ?

    1) Pankaja N., etal. Availability of calcium from kilkeerai (Amaranthus
    tricolor) and drumstick (Moringa oleifer) greens in weanling rats. Food/Hahrung. Vol 38, Issue 2, 199-203.1994.

    2) Heaney, RP, et al. Absorbability of Calcium from
    Brassica Vegetables: Broccoli, Bok Choy, and Kale. Journal
    of Food Science. Vol 58, Issue 6, 1378-80. Nov 1993.

  5. You overemphasize the detriment to calcium absorption from dairy when one is "not getting enough…" of a number of helpful things, but your point is valid. A balanced diet is best, hopefully avoiding oxylate-rich foods when calcium-rich foods are consumed, to avoid the chelation related malabsorption you described. I do not believe it is easy to "cook away" the oxylates, since any technique would also remove other soluble ions, like calcium. Source?

  6. even if you consume milk daily, there is no getting around eating a variety & an abundance of fresh fruits & vegetables if you really want to eat for optimum health.. & if one chooses not to consume milk, yogurt or cheese, they would be wise to ensure that they are eating cabbage daily… but the bottom line is that the vegan types are the least of the health concern, it's the people drinking milk in the standard american diet who aren't fairing well at all

  7. oh and for anyone else reading this thread… i have also heard that you can absorb a lot of the calcium from broccoli.. it is supposed to be low in oxalates and it should be lightly steamed, rather than eaten raw… for best phytonutrient absorption… so yeah, if you don't want to consume dairy… eat cabbage & broccoli … it's also a good idea to get your vitamin D goin on & make sure to get an equal amount of magnesium to your calcium (as close as poss).. buckwheat (seeds) r best, then nuts

  8. the source was from: "The Journal of the American College of Nutrition"… the title: "The Bioavailability of Dietary Calcium" … and the authors who were involved in the study in France…Léon Guéguen, MsScAgr and Alain Pointillart, DVM,'ll like this one because it backs up your pro milk stance LOL..btw, there is a naturopath who espouses milk consumption as well, but says you should boil it before drinking it.. that was Dr. Hulda Clark in "Curing All Diseases"

  9. Again, you over emphasize. People consuming dairy products can be very healthy, or not, depending on other things, but the consumption of dairy is not a negative effect on a person's health, per se. What is so special, other than a fair amount of fiber, with cabbage? Sure, it's cruciferous, so has modest anti-oxidant properties, but essential? I think not.

  10. whatever… look, if a person is not going to drink milk, cabbage is one of the better ways to get calcium according the pro milk study i read & posted info about so you can search it & read it yourself as i have done… you should be happy to have something new in your pro milk arsenal… i'm still not as convinced as you about the virtues of milk, but i'm open to the arguments… you on the other hand are obviously not open to hear anything other than what you have already concluded

  11. Cabbage? To get calcium? That's pretty silly, to be polite. Bok choy, kale, broccoli pop to mind as quite a bit better than cabbage. My supposed resistance to hear other people's arguments about dairy is that I am an expert on nutrition, having taught it in college. That means that I know what I am talking about, and those who disagree are most likely wrong. Such is an advantage of having studied the subject assiduously for decades.

  12. so you do admit that a person can obtain calcium from vegetables! since you've got it all figured out already, you probably are not interested in reading the pro milk study i told you about that specifically mentions cabbage above all other vegetables for calcium absorption

  13. As I said, uneducated one, I have taught nutrition and physiology in college, so I know about calcium absorption, probably much better than you do. If you still don't "get it," that cabbage is way down the list of plants to consider for calcium, then there is not much hope for you. Read a good book about the subject, k?

  14. i remember a conversation with you on another video where you denied the idea that a person could get calcium from vegetables… now you admit that one can indeed get calcium from vegetables… AND…. you, lying one, refuse to acknowledge or comment upon the study i read about… anyone who has taught nutrition & psychology, should know better how to communicate with people… but, obviously, if this is true, which i doubt, i'm certain you've been fired based on your cummunication style

  15. You remember no such conversation, since I have NEVER claimed that we cannot get calcium from plants, merely that the bioavailability of calcium in all realistic plant sources is quite inferior to that of dairy products. You should stop lying when you don't get your way and, by the way, you should read at least the chapter about mineral absorption in an authoritative book about nutrition or physiology.

  16. and what is it that you resort to when given evidence to look at? hmmm… u ignore it & act superior.. i stand by my accusations, u may have been an instructor at one time, but you sucked & this is something you really need to hear..i suggest u change ur approach..i reviewed our conversation & i indeed had it wrong..however, you implied that dairy is the best way to get calcium bc children r not fed veges, they need milk.. i'm not convinced this is right thinking, but i apologize 4 the mistake

  17. How can one judge whether one cheese tastes better than another when the taste of what is termed "cheese" varies so much? This is entirely subject to an individual's tastes.

  18. All current textbooks of nutrition, like my September, 2012, "Present Knowledge in Nutrition," by Erdman et al, provide the amounts and bioavailabilities of calcium from various sources, and these trustworthy sources show us that only 4 servings of safe dairy products provide the RDA of calcium for kids & older adults, while it would take impossible amounts of any realistic plant source to get that RDA. Bok choy requires 9.2 servings to provide that RDA, kale: 13 & broccoli: 18 servings.

  19. Since no one can possible eat 9.2 servings of bok choy every day, or 13 servings of kale, or 18 of broccoli, the choice one has is to consume dairy products or take supplements/fortified drinks to get that RDA of calcium. To lie like this video, and claim that you can get the calcium you need from plants is dastardly and contemptable, and the maker(s) should be ashamed to do so. Check with a trustworthy authority, such as a Dietician, a teacher of nutrition, like myself, or a good book.

  20. The textbook which you flaunt includes the following statements:

    "The improved lipid and lipoprotein profile may account for the -31.7% decrease in CHD mortality witnessed in individuals who followed plant-based, vegetarian, and vegan diets."

    "The CHD-related benefits of plant-based, vegetarian, and vegan diets have been demonstrated repeatedly in epidemiological and clinical trials and are endorsed by the US Deparment of Agriculture as one of several healthy diets."

  21. You demonstrate cupidity rather well. If you actually have access to that textbooks, you would see many, many comments about the safety of dairy products, but you choose to ignore al that, and "pick a cherry," as it's sometimes called, pulling out one little quote which supports the vegetarian/vegan dietary practices. While juvenile, it does demonstrate that you have some regard for that textbook, which supports dairy consumption, so you should stop criticizing dairy.

  22. Do you even know what the word "cupidity" means? It makes no sense in this context. I'm looking at the table on calcium bioavailability right now. It says bok choy, broccoli, Chinese mustard greens, fortified juices, and kale have a higher fractional absorption than milk. So you've been lying along (no surprise). Let's not forget this quote:

    "Well-planned, plant-based diets can provide sufficient macronutrients and micronutrients to meet current dietary recommendations for all stages of life."

  23. Since an anti-dairy activist has lied about the bioavailability of various plant sources, in an attempt to fool the uneducated readers, I must correct the lies just spewed. The only plants which have higher bioavailability than dairy products in regards to calcium are bok choy and unrealistic garnishes like Chinese mustard greens. The amounts of calcium which these contain, however, is so low that they cannot compare with dairy products for how much calcium they will provide us.

  24. I used the word cupidity in describing that activist since they are too aggressive in their attempts to lift up and praise plant sources, while they diss dairy sources like anti-dairy activists do. They ignore the facts all around the very limited information which they share (which tends to show dairy products in a negative light), which support the recommendations to consume dairy products. I don't have my 2012 book on nutrition with me, but I will convey the bioavailabilities tomorrow.

  25. What this activist does not mention, despite their having the information right in front of them if they had an authoritative source of information, is that dairy products provide the RDA of calcium for kids & older adults (1,200-1,300mg) in only 4 servings, while bok choy requires 9.2 servings, kale: 13 and broccoli: 18 servings. No one can eat that many servings of these, the best realistic plant sources, so it is either dairy products or supplements/fortified drinks.

  26. Of course, there is nothing wrong with consuming supplements and/or fortified drinks, but there is a great deal wrong with lying about dairy product safety or effectiveness. Having had to deal with anti-dairy activist lies for over forty years, I have learned that the activists are beyond being changed in their beliefs, but mothers of growing kids might be fooled by this crock of hooey, so I visit these sites and comment from my training and experience. Dairy is safe and effective for us.

  27. The word "cupidity" means greed or avarice. I'm greedy for quoting from a textbook? Yeah, that makes sense.
    You've been lying all along. You've always said that this Present Knowledge In Nutrition book demonstrates how plants have low calcium bioavailability. It actually says that bok choy, broccoli, Chinese mustard greens, fortified juices, and kale have higher bioavailability than milk.
    Broccoli- 61.3
    Bok choy- 53.8
    Fortified juices- 52.0
    Kale- 49.3
    Mustard greens- 40.2
    Milk- 32.1 LMAO

  28. An uneducated activist has posted a comment supposedly giving the bioavailabilities of various plant sources, and numerous of them are, according to this activist, higher than that of milk or other dairy products. I know that bok choy and some garnishes, like Chinese mustard greens, have higher bioavailabilities, but they have so little calcium that the higher availability does not help them provide the RDA of calcium for kids and older adults. Fortified juices, of course, do not count.

  29. These bioavailabilities do not change the number of servings of each of these foods which would be required to provide theRDA of calcium, and those serving numbers are: for bok choy: 9.2 servings, for kale: 12.8 servings, and for broccoli: 18 servings. Thus, it is still quite true that no one can eat enough of any realistic plant source to get the RDA of calcium which kids & older adults need: 1,200-1,300mg.

  30. Notice, though, dear reader, that these activists are not trying to truly educate you, but to try to convince you that plants are a better source of calcium, when that is patently untrue. One who needs greater than a few hundred grams of calcium/day must either consume dairy products or take supplements or drink fortified drinks. You can't get enough calcium from reasonable amounts of any realistic plant sources. That is what we learn from textbooks, reviews and trustworthy sources.

  31. Plus, almond / soy milk have 50% more calcium per serving than cow's milk. so even if those vegetables had less calcium, almond / soy milk is better than cow's milk no matter how you compare it.

  32. Since someone has said that "almond/soy milk [has] more calcium/serving than cow's milk," I must mention that these products are much more expensive than cow's milk, and don't have the bioavailability that cow's milk has, so you don't actually absorb more calcium from them, despite spending all that extra money. Since all experts & authorities know that cow's milk is safe & the most effective food source of calcium, it should be the preferred calcium source for growing kids & older adults.

  33. Note, dear reader, that all current textbooks of nutrition, like my September, 2012, "Present Knowledge in Nutrition," by Erdman et al, inform us that dairy products are safe & the most effective food source of calcium, as only 4 servings provide the RDA thereof for kids & older adults. No realistic plant source can provide that RDA; bok choy requires 9.2 servings, kale: 13 & broccoli: 18. So, it's either dairy or supplements/fortified foods.

  34. Not that there is any problem with supplements or fortified foods, but it is wrong to lie about dairy product safety or effectiveness, and to confuse less educated people, especially mothers of growing kids, who need 1,200-1,300mg of calcium/day. No plant source can provide that much calcium in reasonable amounts. Milk does not cause cancer, does not have pus in it, and does not take calcium out of our bones, as some activist videos say to push their militant agenda.

  35. Hi there, I just visited your channel and it seems all you do is comment on videos about where it is shown the real face of dairy products… I hope what they pay you for this is enogh to counteract this shameful behavior

  36. First of all you do not need as much calcium from vegies because that calcium is easier to assimilate than say dairy…. Also the populations with the most longetivity and health eat very little meat and no dairy, just reseach the okinawa diet and their health

  37. As I posted earlier the best source for calcium is not milk… the helthiest populations have no dairy on their diets go figure

    Also you can buy a handful of almonds, soak them overnight and the next day place them in the blender with plenty of watter and the sweetener of your choice… That way you will have a much better alternative and its even cheaper than milk, oh and infinitely healthier

  38. WOW all you say is a joke… please stop trying to misinform people SHAME ON YOU… You are saying you cannot get enough calcium from plants, thats completely false:
    Before America was "discovered" there were people living here, with NO cows and thus NO DAIRY… where they got their calcium??? yes PLANTS

    Also the most healthiest populations are dairy free ei OKINAWA…just reseach

  39. Note, dear reader, that all current textbooks of nutrition, physiology and biology attest to the safety and high effectiveness of dairy products in providing nutrients for us, especially calcium, as only 4 servings provide the RDA thereof for kids & older adults, while NO realistic plant source can provide that RDA in less than 9.2 servings (bok choy). Kale requires 13 servings, and broccoli: 18, so it is either dairy or supplements to get the RDA of calcium.

  40. Not that there is the slightest problem with supplements and/or fortified foods, but it is completely wrong to lie about the safety and effectiveness of dairy products. We have uneducated twits commenting on this video about "veggies having more calcium than dairy," but that only illustrates how ignorant & mis-informed they are, probably by anti-dairy activist videos like this one. Check with a Dietician, or a teacher of nutrition in college, like myself, and learn from trustworthy sources.

  41. Since an uneducated twit has tried to slander me by saying I have some connection with the dairy industry, I must repeat, yet again, that the only "connection" I have with the dairy industry is that I have consumed milk & other dairy products for over 60 years without problems, and have taught nutrition, physiology, biology & related subjects in college, so I know what authoritative informaiton sources say about dairy safety & effectiveness. This video is biased & should be ignored.

  42. The astute reader will be interested what all textbooks of nutrition used by all colleges around the world say about dairy safety & effectiveness: dairy is perfectly safe & highly effective at providing nutrients for us, especially calcium, since only 4 servings provide the RDA thereof for kids, while no realistic plant source can do so. Bok choy requires 9.2 servings, kale: 13 & broccoli: 18, so we need either dairy or supplements (or the occasional dose of sardines).

  43. My September, 2012, "Present Knowledge in Nutrition," by Erdman et al, like all current textbooks, tells us that dairy products are perfectly safe & the best food source for calcium, especially for growing kids who both need a lot of calcium and don't want to eat 9.2 servings of bok choy to get it. Or 13 servings of kale, or 18 servings of broccoli.

  44. It is especially irksome that this video, made by someone who claims to be a physician, would be so woefully out of touch with reality. To be a militant vegan is one thing, and to want to stop people from using animals for their uses because of that is consistent, if misguided, but to lie about dairy safety & effectiveness is quite wrong. Milk does not cause cancer, does not have pus in it, and hardly takes calcium out of our bones, but provides it FOR our bones better than almost any other food

  45. This anti-dairy activist is amazingly out of touch with reality. Ask any Dietitian about this, and they'll let you know that dairy products are recommended by all authorities in nutrition, since they are not only safe, but rich in calcium and other nutrients.

  46. Since a comment lied about Harvard supposedly not including dairy in their recommendations, the reader may be interested to know that Harvard still uses a standard textbook of nutrition to teach the facts about dairy to its students: that dairy is highly effective at providing calcium, protein and other nutrients to humans, and that it is perfectly safe.

  47. This is one video where I don't really agree with you…..even in terms of weight loss/gain, there are many studies suggesting that drinking milk helps people lose.maintain weight ! …. Heart and stroke foundation of Canada also recommends that people drink milk + eat vegetables to reduce cardiovascular risk……personally, I drink warm chocolate milk almost daily, and I can maintain my weight well as long as I exercise and eat reasonably (i.e. I don't see 100lb gain in a year like you suggested) LOLLLL 

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